I listen, and I forget
I see, and I remember
I do, and I understand

- Chinese Proverb

“IV” (Janil Uc Tun & Levy Dickson)

November 1, 2020
Words by Janil Uc Tun, Translation by Don Cellini, Art by MJ Levy Dickson

Broadsided Press

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Collaborators’ Q&A

What surprised you about this collaborative piece?
Translator Don Cellini: On first seeing the broadside, I immediately noticed the wonderful parade of evergreens fluttering up to the sky like a tail on a kite. But on subsequent viewings and still, I am seduced by the wavy grey lines that form the background. Are they ridges to a mountain? The soggy paper bag in the poem? The sweat from the clouds?
Poet Janil Uc Tun: The ability to build networks and bridges between different views of different geographies, which are empowered by the same starting point, in this case, the fragment “IV” of Collection of Insects that Flew Around My Head.
Artist MJ Levy Dickson: The imagery. The flow from thought to image. Each word has a visual context.

Do you see an overlap between the act of translation and the act of responding visually to a piece of literature? Translator Don Cellini: The visual artist and the translator are both asked to respond by interpreting the text. The artist may have more creative freedom in that response. We expect visual artists to be “creative.” The translator is expected to be a bit more “faithful” in re-creating the text in the new language, although there are many very creative translations.
Artist MJ Levy Dickson: Sometimes the grace of Spanish words doesn’t translate into English. This piece is beautiful in both languages.

Why this poem?
Artist MJ Levy Dickson: I was struck by the image of the earth as a kite with green trees hanging from its tail. If this broadside were a type of weather, what would it be?
Translator Don Cellini: This poem, this collection of poems, is always autumn-into-winter for me. There is a certain sadness and resignation that happens in the poems, much like moving from the colors of autumn into the cold, starkness of winter. Of course, this is autumn-into-winter for me in the Midwest US. It’s not the seasonal change of the poet in the Yucatán.
Poet Janil Uc Tun: Autumn.
Artist MJ Levy Dickson: Typical New England weather, constantly changing.

How does translation fit into your creative life?
Translator Don Cellini: Being a poet makes me a much better translator of poetry. I’m very respectful of the poet’s original language and try to understand what the poet is doing before beginning a translation. I’m more sensitive to word sounds and images and have slowly learned to rely less on the language of the original and to trust the feel or the sense of the original.
Artist MJ Levy Dickson: Visual art does not need to be translated. It crosses cultures and borders without words.

Read any good books lately?
Translator Don Cellini: I have read a lot during the past several months but by far the best book has been Memoirs of Hadrian by Marguerite Yourcenar. She has taken the well-known facts of Hadrian’s life and turned them into a novel in the form of a letter from Hadrian to his successor Marcus Aurelius. I know I will go back to it again.
Poet Janil Uc Tun: Yes, Stone Poems by Don Cellini.
Artist MJ Levy Dickson: During a pandemic? “Good” has a different context! Thank goodness for authors. At least when I read a book I feel I have control. I can put the book down if I want, and I can pick it up when I want. I can be anywhere, indoors or outside. National Geographic has done the best job of writing about the coronavirus and I feel like we are experiencing a narrative in real time. I am beginning a series based on Moby Dick by Melville.

Seen any good art lately?
Translator Don Cellini: Museums are just reopening here, but I was fortunate to see Yayoi Kusama’s “Fireflies on the Water” recently. It was a magical moment.
Poet Janil Uc Tun: The street art being produced by Calle Estampa.
Artist MJ Levy Dickson: I have created a class I teach on Zoom. I take participants all over the world looking at art through time and space on the Internet, anything from the quilts of Gee’s Bend, Alabama to cave paintings of hands in Argentina. We can look at hands painted in Indian miniatures, to hands in Chinese scrolls, to hands in Western portraits.

Anything else? (Here, we invite the collaborators to invent a question, add a comment, or otherwise speak to what the questions so far have not tapped about their Broadsided experience).
Poet Janil Uc Tun: May Broadsided Press keep up this wonderful work for many years to come.
Artist MJ Levy Dickson: This project has been a joyful and thoughtful experience during a time of uncertainty. The poem inspired me to stretch my artistic practice and push visual and technical skills. Working with you has provided a connection at a time when isolation presents a disconnect.